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Kat51794
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posted on 17-8-2009 at 02:01 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by NM_156
The instinct of survival isn't human its animal.
As for whining on the internet. Could be a sign of really needing help, or could be a cry for attention. You couldn't know. To take it harshly, even
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I see it as a form to get attention on the internet simply because the right solution to the problem IS to seek professional help, or off yourself...
either way, asking for advise on the internet from strangers as to "why I shouldnt commit suicide" is a bit extreme when the answer is so simple.
IMO its like crying "I dont know what 1 plus 1 is!" all over the internet.
Have there been legit cries for help? Im positive there have been. But refer to the example above, the answer is get professional help, drama over.
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posted on 17-8-2009 at 05:58 AM
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First rule of humanity is self-preservation.
If we didn't have the survival instinct that we do,
there'd be no urge for us to save lives or prevent injury.
To judge from the notions expounded by theologians,
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NM_156
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posted on 17-8-2009 at 12:02 PM
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It's not innately human to want to survive.
Pretty sure, every self aware living creature want's to continue living.
"Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which
I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny
you..."
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posted on 23-10-2009 at 06:46 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by .vickitz©
i feel suicide is the most selfish way out of a problem.
i mean ok you take your life, without the conetiration of others.
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I think it's equally selfish to tell someone to live their life when they don't feel the need to.
If someone is sad, depressed, and all around upset, they won't get happy. It won't happen, why tell them that they're being selfish because they
want to end it?
I'm not saying suicide is the only way out, but I am saying it's selfish to say anything is selfish. Suicide isn't selfish, i've had a few friends
kill themselves, and well, it never gets easier, but it was their way out, and you gotta fuckin' respect their choices, because if they are really
your friend, they'd respect your choices.
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The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If
they're okay, then it's you.
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posted on 23-10-2009 at 09:09 AM
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I thought about this and I wouldn't label it selfish..it depends on the situation really..
But suicide is never than answer, whats worse than ceasing to live...
Nothing..
Then again there are certain instances where death is hardly worse.
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posted on 23-10-2009 at 08:54 PM
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suicide crosses everyones mind but and it can be a little selfish. you are never given more than you can handle and death seems to be the easy way
out. in a way, life is so much more complicated than death. but theres a reason you were here, and probably a reason why you aren't happy. but think
about the people you are hurting. but i think everyone can overcome their depression because if you commit suicide there is too much your going to
miss.
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posted on 24-10-2009 at 07:18 PM
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Thats the thing, when people get to a point where they actually go through with it, they bad is out weighing the good, and they can't handle it
anymore, life is too hard for them, and they want release. It's not selfish to want everything to stop.
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If
they're okay, then it's you.
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posted on 24-10-2009 at 11:51 PM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by andyflag
| Quote: | Originally posted by .vickitz©
i feel suicide is the most selfish way out of a problem.
i mean ok you take your life, without the conetiration of others.
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I think it's equally selfish to tell someone to live their life when they don't feel the need to.
If someone is sad, depressed, and all around upset, they won't get happy. It won't happen, why tell them that they're being selfish because they
want to end it?
I'm not saying suicide is the only way out, but I am saying it's selfish to say anything is selfish. Suicide isn't selfish, i've had a few friends
kill themselves, and well, it never gets easier, but it was their way out, and you gotta fuckin' respect their choices, because if they are really
your friend, they'd respect your choices.
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No dude, just no. I soundly disagree. In my honest opinion, no pain is so great that suicide is a viable option. I have felt so bad that I've wanted
to fall off the face of the planet, I wanted to drink a gallon of bleach and clearly visualized it in my head as if I were going to do it, but no pain
or problem is permanent. Doesn't matter who you lose, who dump you , what your situation is etc. You improve it. You don't roll over and die. You
list all of your problems and you find ways to fix every one.
And as far as it being selfish, that is debatable, but I sure as Hell wouldn't respect their choice. They gave up and now I lost someone dear to me
because of someone gave up the one life they are given. I think life is a truly wonderful and miraculous thing, and I honestly believe most people who
are miserable are so because they choose to be. And I am by NO means rich, spoiled or privileged. I'm merely your typical inner-city minority who is
the son of an immigrant mother and no father. I don't say this to tell you my situation is miserable... because I know damn well there are millions
far worse. But this is to trump any ideas that I'm a Darwinist or something. I don't believe in survival of the fittest, but I do believe fate is in
your own hands, and if you want your situation to improve, you'll do whatever necessary to improve it. Suicide to me (with all do respect to your
friends) is somewhat cowardly.
But perhaps it's just me, I have not gone through what they have gone through, but I feel like my philosophy should hold true no matter whats
happening in your life.
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posted on 25-10-2009 at 02:47 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kevinq
No dude, just no. I soundly disagree. In my honest opinion, no pain is so great that suicide is a viable option. I have felt so bad that I've wanted
to fall off the face of the planet, I wanted to drink a gallon of bleach and clearly visualized it in my head as if I were going to do it, but no pain
or problem is permanent. Doesn't matter who you lose, who dump you , what your situation is etc. You improve it. You don't roll over and die. You
list all of your problems and you find ways to fix every one.
And as far as it being selfish, that is debatable, but I sure as Hell wouldn't respect their choice. They gave up and now I lost someone dear to me
because of someone gave up the one life they are given. I think life is a truly wonderful and miraculous thing, and I honestly believe most people who
are miserable are so because they choose to be. And I am by NO means rich, spoiled or privileged. I'm merely your typical inner-city minority who is
the son of an immigrant mother and no father. I don't say this to tell you my situation is miserable... because I know damn well there are millions
far worse. But this is to trump any ideas that I'm a Darwinist or something. I don't believe in survival of the fittest, but I do believe fate is in
your own hands, and if you want your situation to improve, you'll do whatever necessary to improve it. Suicide to me (with all do respect to your
friends) is somewhat cowardly.
But perhaps it's just me, I have not gone through what they have gone through, but I feel like my philosophy should
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None of my friends killed themselves over something like that.
I don't want to get into it to be completely honest, but Yes I do have to respect their choice, they did the only thing they could do in the
situation provided to them, and it's not their fault. I can't blame them, Anyone here given the cards my friend mike got, you'd more then likely do
the same thing.
Infact, the only way you wouldn't is if you were more cowardice than them. because what these guys chose wasn't cowardice, not at all.
Not to mention, if I were to get sent to a mental hospital, and I had the chance to kill myself before going, I'd be more than happy to end my life,
rather then going back to one of those places, It's the same exact thing except you're a zombie, without your own thoughts, and you lose your
free-will, your free-thinking.
And mike, Mike had an even more justified reason to do so. I won't even get into it.
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If
they're okay, then it's you.
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posted on 25-10-2009 at 05:11 AM
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Well I can't speak for them or anything. But well I just think life is too precious to toss away. You beat a million other sperm cells to be born,
you should make the best of it. I don't know their problems whatsoever, but I just feel anything can be worked through with enough drive sans maybe a
mental illness where the person isn't in a correct state of mind.
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posted on 25-10-2009 at 06:18 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by kevinq
Well I can't speak for them or anything. But well I just think life is too precious to toss away. You beat a million other sperm cells to be born,
you should make the best of it. I don't know their problems whatsoever, but I just feel anything can be worked through with enough drive sans maybe a
mental illness where the person isn't in a correct state of mind. |
I know where you're coming from, but some people just don't have a choice.
IE: mike hill, not the mike I was talking about, but my fathers defense attorney, lost a case, because he didn't feel the need to protect this guy,
cause he was a murderer committed suicide because the guy said, he will get his family killed. Later that night mike hill took his own life.
Sometimes the choices aren't in our hands, and the fact is people around most suicides are to blame. Not all of them, but if you look into a suicide
long enough, you'll see that it's not really the persons fault, it's the family's instabality, the school, the bullies, the friends, the best
friends, the strangers who take a liking to you, or a disliking to you.
once you get to a point in your life, where you try and resolve everything, you try and try, however you get tired of trying. it gets tiresome,
specially if the outcome always results in the same answer. Some people do it without seeking alternatives, god rest their soul, but some people
honestly try really hard to make ends meet, but it's hard to swim to the surface when a cinder block is weighing you down
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If
they're okay, then it's you.
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posted on 6-12-2009 at 04:35 AM
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As abortion is legal, suicide must be also.
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posted on 6-12-2009 at 10:10 PM
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I would hate if anyone I knew committed suicide.
Everyone I meet impacts my life or my thoughts <or both> in one way or another. Without them, I wouldn't be able to think of all of the
opinions or views I have in my head.
I wouldn't wish death upon anyone. Even if they're annoying, idiotic assholes.
In the end, they'll just give me something to think about. Give exercise to the particles in my brain. ;;Shrug.;; Just my thoughts on the subject.
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posted on 7-12-2009 at 10:00 PM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MSDos
As abortion is legal, suicide must be also. |
Thats probably the most ignorant thing I've read all day.
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If
they're okay, then it's you.
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posted on 8-12-2009 at 11:23 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by andyflag
| Quote: | Originally posted by MSDos
As abortion is legal, suicide must be also. |
Thats probably the most ignorant thing I've read all day. |
agreed...
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posted on 8-12-2009 at 01:30 PM
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Mm'. Suicide is a tender subject.
I don't know whether I think it's selfish or not.
I've thought about it, attempted, and had to get my stomach pumped and put on suicide watch and then had to see a therapist throughout the summer
before I even got into high school. It was a dumb choice that I made, but in a way, it made everything more clear to me. It showed me who really
cared. Who would be sad if I was gone. I can't even imagine how hard it was for my mom to find her only daughter on the bathroom floor that way.
I don't tell this story to "get attention" or anything, because since that incident I am way above trying to solve my problems by taking my own
life. I have too many people around me who would be crushed if I took my own life, and I couldn't leave them with the questions, and the uncertainty.
So I man up, so to speak, and solve things in a healthier way. I still remember waking up, in the hospital and my mom was still crying, and praying,
she never prayed. Even after her death, that is the one image that sticks with me anytime I think that my life is too difficult, or when the thought
of suicide is on my mind. Her on her knees next to my hospital bed. It's a sad thing.
I don't think it's the easy way out, and I know that it would have been selfish for me to take my own life, seeing as how there are just too many
people that would miss me, and such, but perhaps for others this is not the case. I cannot speak for anyone else.
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posted on 9-12-2009 at 01:43 AM
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I tried it once but failed.... um i was required to get help... idk bro I wasn't thinking anything rly...
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posted on 12-12-2009 at 11:00 PM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BrigetteMorgan
| Quote: | Originally posted by andyflag
| Quote: | Originally posted by MSDos
As abortion is legal, suicide must be also. |
Thats probably the most ignorant thing I've read all day. |
agreed... |
LAWL. seriously? thats two completely different subjects...
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posted on 12-12-2009 at 11:18 PM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EMiLYs_ACOUSTiC_SUNSHiNE
| Quote: | Originally posted by MSDos
As abortion is legal, suicide must be also. |
LAWL. seriously? thats two completely different subjects... |
On a side note, something that has no suspects can't be against the law.
The victim, killed himself, therefore, there is no one to prosecute.
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If
they're okay, then it's you.
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posted on 13-12-2009 at 07:22 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by andyflag
| Quote: | Originally posted by EMiLYs_ACOUSTiC_SUNSHiNE
| Quote: | Originally posted by MSDos
As abortion is legal, suicide must be also. |
LAWL. seriously? thats two completely different subjects... |
On a side note, something that has no suspects can't be against the law.
The victim, killed himself, therefore, there is no one to prosecute. |
valid point my friend...
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posted on 13-12-2009 at 08:54 AM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MSDos
As abortion is legal, suicide must be also. |
Suicide can't be a crime! There's no harm involved to anyone but themselves. Therefore it can't be illegal...what's your punishment for suicide
offenders hmm?
If you thought that through, you may have saved yourself looking like a total idiot..
Im mean..
I don't think that made much sense but you get what I mean..lol
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